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MikeHammer 1:21 Sun Jul 10
Spanish bullfighting

I see that for the first time in 20 years a matador has died ... Live on TV !

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3682545/Horror-Spanish-bullfighter-V-ctor-Barrio-gored-death-ring-stunned-crowd.html

Fivetide 3:53 Tue Jul 12
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Shooting a horse point blank with a hand gun sounds like the work of somebody building themselves up psychologically for something even more serious, doesn't it?

Northern Sold 3:38 Tue Jul 12
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sad-champion-jockey-ap-mccoy-8402199


What a way to fucking go....

Brucies_Star_Prize 3:12 Tue Jul 12
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My personally stance is I don't give a fuck. I eat meat, I enjoy it and the cheaper and more readily available the better.

I don't particularly like bull fighting, it's not for me, however it would be wrong for me to be morally outraged by it given how I choose to live my life.

I mean if I'm prepared to eat chickens that have been battery farmed in abject conditions, before being slaughtered for my benefit, how can I really complain about animal cruelty without being a hypocrite?

That's not to say there aren't 'levels' of animal cruelty, only that eating meat is pretty fucking high up the chart. It's very convenient to ignore this though.

Northern Sold 3:04 Tue Jul 12
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Brucie... where do you stand with ants and flies... as I have murdered shed loads of them over the years... :-(

Mad Dog 3:02 Tue Jul 12
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There is a huge difference between killing an animal for food and doing it for no other reason than for amusement.

Humans are omnivores by nature

Northern Sold 3:01 Tue Jul 12
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5tide... we get the majority of our meat from the local Butchers... and we always stock up at the local farmers market when they are on... to be fair I ain't got a clue where or how they was slaughtered...

Regarding Bullfighting I would not go and see one... not really my cup of Rosie... BUT as I said if I was a bovine and had the choice of 3 or 4 years of absolute pampering and at the end being unleashed on a Spanish twat dressed like a fucked up tranny or... getting slotted at the local abattoir because I had a pair of bollocks I know what I'd prefer....

Brucies_Star_Prize 2:56 Tue Jul 12
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Mad Dog 2:24 Tue Jul 12

Meat is not essential for the human diet.

And my point is not that there isn't a difference between eating meat and blood sports, it's that if you are happy to murder animals to eat them, then you clearly don't care much about animal welfare.

I'm not sure how that can be argued otherwise.

Mad Dog 2:39 Tue Jul 12
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Mashed, this is one for a start.....


"Brucies_Star_Prize 6:50 Mon Jul 11
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Mad Dog 11:23 Mon Jul 11

If you genuinely believe in animal rights, I don't see how it's possible to reconcile that belief with eating meat.

If you consider a moral scale where on the one side you leave animals alone to live free of human interference, and on the opposite end you have the brutal torture of animals for fun, where would you consider murdering them for food to be? It's got to be pretty close to the torture side.

Considering Foie Gras morally repugnant whilst being fully prepared to tuck into a nice bit of goose, is ridiculously hypocritical in my opinion.

Any one who truly believes in animal rights should practice what they preach and be vegan. Otherwise they don't really give a fuck. "

mashed in maryland 2:31 Tue Jul 12
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Who are these "people"? No one on this thread has done that.

Mad Dog 2:24 Tue Jul 12
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People are suggesting because I eat some meat, that I'm akin to a blood sport enthusiast. And if I'm against it is must be a hypocritical "slacktivist".

Meat Is part of the human diet. We have canine teeth to prove it. It provides many nutrients.

But as mentioned I'm against the way many animals are farmed.

Bloodsports are hurting, torturing and killing an animal for nothing more than amusement. There is a huge difference

Fivetide 1:55 Tue Jul 12
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Hemingway's 'Death in the Afternoon' provides plenty of deep historical/philosophical context for the whole 'majesty of bullfighting' as he saw it. Unlikely to change many minds, but it's a balance to the general disgust of people outside of Spain.

mashed in maryland 1:46 Tue Jul 12
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Mad Dog

I don't think anyone is defending bullfighting here.

Fivetide 1:45 Tue Jul 12
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Anyway, I know it'll fall on deaf ears so I'll shut up finally, but you get the gist. To avoid poorly sourced meat that negatively impacts the lives of animals and people, you don't have to be rich or vegan - you just have to give a little bit of a shit.

Fivetide 1:43 Tue Jul 12
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"5tide... so what you saying... eating from local Butchers is ok but not Tesco's??"

No, that's not what I saying. I saying that if you want to get indignant about animal cruelty in any form, then you at least owe it to yourself and anybody ;earning from your actions to buy meat that has an accountable chain of production; from husbandry through transportation and slaughter etc... Eat meat, but eat responsibly produced meat and have some respect for the animals and the people involved in the product. It doesn't have to be stupidly expensive or have the latest organo-certificate or anything, it just needs to have a decent and reputable supply chain comprising responsible, audited and named farmers, hauliers, slaughterhouses, butchers etc... The animal should have had a comfortable and respectable life, even with its inevitable end, and the people involved along the way also need to be trained, skilled and paid correctly etc... It can be easier to find this out if the supply chain is local, but it's equally easy and affordable at say, the Co-op.

Mad Dog 1:28 Tue Jul 12
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Bollocks.

There is a huge difference between eating an animal and killing one for amusement.

Humans are omnivores by nature.

However I do agree that farming is in many cases inhumane and I think a lot of change needs to happen in this area.

Northern Sold 1:24 Tue Jul 12
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Depends if you class eating pets as morally right or wrong mashed.... in my eyes if a fucking Korean even looks at the rump on my Lab he's getting napalmed.... that's how I rock'n'roll...


5tide... so what you saying... eating from local Butchers is ok but not Tesco's??

mashed in maryland 1:18 Tue Jul 12
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Virtue Signalling and slacktivism Fivetide.

Saw a petition on fb the other day to stop the Korean govt from killing 5 million dogs a year. After a bit of googling it turns out that ONE BILLION animals are killed in the UK for food every year. Suppose that's OK though cos we're enlightened world-conscious westerners and not evil savage slitty eyes. Oh wait that's racist. Maybe it's actually because we're.... oh fuck it who cares, Love Island is on, brb

Fivetide 1:15 Tue Jul 12
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We're live in increasingly entitled societies that want to bleat and appear caring while simultaneously consuming and owning whatever the fuck we like at any ethical cost, if it suits us. Most people in the 'developed world' will sign petitions about one element of animal cruelty after seeing a photo on social media, but wouldn't change their next purchasing decision for fast food, shoes, handbag etc.. even if they knew the producer was morally bankupt, if it meant they missed out on a burger or coat etc... they just wanted to eat/own/boast about. If you point out the hypocrisy, then you are a 'fucking vegan treehugger' or somesuch, because you've made that person think for a second about their Canada Goose coat, Hermes bag or Turkey Twizzler.

ironsofcanada 1:01 Tue Jul 12
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Fivetide 12:53 Tue Jul 12

Thing is the majority of people in developed countries do have it both ways.

We human are the only ones worrying about this but we also have the agency to draw the lines where we want to.

mashed in maryland 12:56 Tue Jul 12
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I agree Fivetide and tbh I'm the same as Brucie.

Fivetide 12:53 Tue Jul 12
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People are content to pick and choose the animals they're happy to see suffer, because that's easier than sourcing meat responsibly. They'll give you bullshit reasons that they've developed to justify their habits to themselves, but that's the crux of it - they cannot be bothered not to eat cheaply produced food, and ultimately don't care how far its been imported or how bad the rearing conditions are, as long as they get rotisserie chicken for £2 from Tesco. Meat has always been a luxury, and the right thing to do is to buy decent quality stuff from good local producers that treat animals well - when it's affordable. If not, then locally produced and reared cheaper cuts. But actually few people genuinely care until some Facebook page causes them to at least go through the motions of feeling guilty for a couple of minutes. Until then they just eat what the fuck they like, and hang the consequences to the animals or the livelihood of the responsible branches of the UK meat supply chain.

Sorry for the rant. But you can't have it both ways.

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